Thursday, September 01, 2011

Tendencies

A commenter called 'Fr Ronan Kilgannon' pulls me up on my post about Eucharistic Prayer 2:



With due respect, what do you think is meant 'the church throughout the world' - if not all the faithful? He the prayer is moving from the General - all the disciples of our Lord in His Church - to the particular - pope, bishops and clergy who are called to minister. Are you owning up to a pre-Vatican Council tendency to us the word 'church' to refer only to its ministers. Shame on you.

Let's go through that in a Zuhlsdorf-stylee:

With due respect, [well, you know what's coming next...] what do you think is meant 'the church throughout the world' - if not all the faithful? [Got that, or are you calling me stupid?] He [sic] the prayer is moving from the General - all the disciples of our Lord in His Church - to the particular - pope, bishops and clergy who are called to minister. [Well yes, but I am comparing EP2 and the Roman Canon. Unless you missed it the Roman Canon also moves from the general to the particular, but is inclusive enough to mention all orthodox, Catholic Christians, rather than just the clergy, which would seem to fly in the face of your argument.] Are you owning up to a pre-Vatican Council tendency to us the word 'church' to refer only to its ministers. [owning up to a pre-Vatican Council tendency? What the heck is that supposed to mean? This is my blog. I'll have whatever tendencies, I like, thank you very much.My parents having been raised in the 1920s and 1930 had some pre-Vat 2 tendencies. They were better Christians than me and on the evidence of this comment, you too. What kind of Stalinism is this? 'Tendencies', indeed!] Shame on you. [No, Father, shame on you. Shame on you for having the bad grace to come onto someone else's blog, putting an argument that flies in the face of the facts and then crying 'Shame!'. I've seen this Loftusesque behaviour from post-Vat 2 clergy before and it reeks of clericalism. The very clericalism Traddie clergy are accused of. Indeed, the 'pre-Vatican Council tendency' clergy I know who blog tend very much to be reasonable people who can hold their own in an argument without accusing others of any sort of 'tendency']

3 Comments:

Blogger Pelicanus said...

Perhaps the most dangerous idea is that anything pre-Vatican II is wrong; I suppose that makes sense, as the Church was in fact founded in 1962. We don't need to worry about anything before that.

12:00 PM  
Anonymous georgem said...

"Are you owning up to a pre-Vatican Council tendency to us [sic] the word 'church' to refer only to its ministers."
With due respect, wrong. I was there.

7:41 AM  
Blogger Paulinus said...

Indeed, georgem. How did Christianity survive in those dark clerical days?

8:22 PM  

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