Thursday, June 18, 2009

My Liturgical Ignorance #2

In Italy when the Gospel is read at Mass, the priest starts by saying (I can't remember the Italian for it) "in that time". Why, in anglophone countries dd we ditch "In illo tempore"?



Blogger Patricius said...

Short answer from one who lived through the changes (1st Communion 1962) is don't know. If I may be permitted to hazard a guess I'd simply suggest that those responsible for the translated missal having selected the Jerusalem Bible translation, clocked the references and considered the introductory phrase superfluous. They were, after all, modern minimalists who informed us that the mass would be pruned of "unnecessary repetitions". ("Oh good!" exclaimed the less pious among us- I had become a teenager- and then they slammed us with an extra reading at Sunday Mass.)

3:40 PM  
Blogger Mac McLernon said...

It's still there in the usus antiquior and it's something I love to listen out for... as well as waiting to see how soon "Jesus" is named after that point!

3:43 PM  
Blogger Ttony said...

It's always soon after. That's why the server, having changed the missals round, waits at the Gospel side facing across the altar, and does't go to the Epistle side at the foot of the altar until after the priest has said the Holy Name.

As to "why?": because the people translating the Propers of the Mass into English knew better than the people who wrote the Old Mass in 1572, just like they knew how to write appropriate English, and just like they understood ritual, protocol and rubrics. Because they realised that the Church had got the "standing the wrong way round" thing wrong for 1600 or 1700 years, but that they could sort it out. Because they knew that they knew better than the Pope, whom God had ... hang on!

8:48 PM  
Blogger PatterNoster said...

'In quel tempo...'

8:31 AM  
Blogger Fr PF said...

Glad to see that PatterNoster is still alive.

12:47 PM  
Blogger PatterNoster said...

Yes, still alive Father, but since I'm now in training to be a 'prophetic leader' means a blog is no longer viable. Which is a shame because I'm just back from Vespers at the Vatican for the beginning of the Year of the Priest and want to tell everyone how absolutely great it was!

11:02 PM  

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