Thursday, January 17, 2008

Big Tam

“He (Mohammed) seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh urges us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected; he was obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of his doctrine, he brought forward only such as could be
grasped by the natural ability of anyone with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that he taught he mingled with many fables and with doctrines of the greatest falsity. He did not bring forth any signs produced in a supernatural way, which alone fittingly gives witness to divine inspiration; for a visible action that can be only divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of truth. On the Contrary, Mohammed said that he was sent in the power of his arms - which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants. What is more, no wise men, men trained in things divine and human, believed in him from the beginning. Those who believed in him were brutal men and desert wanderers, utterly ignorant of all divine teaching, through whose numbers Mohammed forced others to become his follower’s by the violence of his arms. Nor do divine pronouncements on part of preceding prophets offer him any witness. On the contrary, he perverts almost all the testimony of the Old and the New Testaments by making them into a fabrication of his own, as can be seen by anyone who examines his law. It was, therefore, a shrewd decision on his part to forbid his followers to read the Old and New Testaments, lest these books convict him of falsity. It is thus clear that those who place faith in his words believe foolishly”

PS Before anyone says: yes, I know it's probably Averroes rather than Mo in the picture.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

I still don't understand the quote. Where in islam does Mohammed promise carnal pleasure?

6:11 PM  
Blogger Paulinus said...

It's from the Hidaiths: Hadith Al-Tirmidhi in the Book of Sunah (volume IV, chapters on The Features of Paradise as described by the Messenger of Allah, chapter 21, About the Smallest Reward for the People of Paradise. The same hadith is also quoted by Ibn Kathir in his Koranic commentary (Tafsir) of Surah Al-Rahman:

"The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: 'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a [Yemen]."

3:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hrmmm... not that I'm standing up for them, but surely the hadith should be seen in the context of the time? Given that the culture is polygamous, it would be nice to promise a heaven with lots of wives...?

7:03 PM  
Blogger Paulinus said...

No I know you're not, but the ractical effect TODAY is that young men self-immolate on the Underground in the expectation of such carnal reward. You can't say it's not Islam - it's in the Hadiths and that's as Islamic as it gets!

9:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sure they don't do it for carnal reward!

They do it for the same obsessive compulsive reasons we have Hindu fundamentalists, Zionist fundamentalists, Christian fundamentalists, Waco-style cults, etc.

I acknowledge there is a severe problem within Islam due to the concept of jihad, but I think this should be seen in two wider contexts: that of international terrorism, in general; and that of religious extremism, cults, and psychological imbalance.

7:37 AM  

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